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Bart Stupak Received Threatening Messages for Health Care Vote (Listen)
Skeeve
In the wake of his vote in favor of health care reform legislation, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), a strong opponent of abortion rights, has been on the receiving end of a string of extremely hostile and threatening messages, including death threats.


"Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing mother f***er... I hope you bleed out your a**, got cancer and die, you mother f***er," one man says in a message to Stupak.

"There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill," a woman says in a voicemail, "and all of those thoughts that are projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you."



More at CBS News

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Nothing that isn't posted at freerepublic.com or Fox Nation daily. Shrug
Edited by Skeeve on 03/24/2010 16:24
"The world is my country, and do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine
 
JohnH
The article linked to also contained an interesting story I had seen before. Something like 6 democrat party or congresspersons offices had rocks or bricks thrown through windows over the weekend.

I have been thinking about getting a rifle for some time. I am now even more sure I should.
 
catman
After seeing the Tea Party mobs on TV, which remind me of what I know about stormtrooper rallies, it isn't surprising that this is happening. I have a gun collection which may come in handy at some point.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Doubting Thomas
I think it's funny how a staunch anti-abortionist is being turned on by those who previously supported him. Maybe he'll get a taste of what the anti-abortion crowd is really like.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
seeker
Absolutely shameful. We pride ourselves on being one of the most civilized countries in the world and yet we have a major political party that caters to fear and superstition.

We need to get past the semantics and realize that Christian fundamentalism is just as much a breeding ground for terrorism as Muslim Fundamentalism.
 
JohnH
Seeker, All religious fundamentalism has within it the possibility of violence. It is obvious that what is happening in Israel is driven, at least in part, by religious fundamentalism.

Americans are duped into only seeing muslims as capable of violence in the name of religion. A simple case in point is that murderers of abortion providers are readily accepted as singular crazies instead of a product of their religious communities.
 
catman
JohnH wrote:Americans are duped into only seeing muslims as capable of violence in the name of religion.


That sentence can be interpreted to mean more than one thing. Are you saying that Americans do not think that Christian fundamentalism can lead to violence, as Muslim fundamentalism has and is presently doing? Naturally Christians see their religion as The One and inherently superior.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
seeker
JohnH wrote:
Seeker, All religious fundamentalism has within it the possibility of violence. It is obvious that what is happening in Israel is driven, at least in part, by religious fundamentalism.

Americans are duped into only seeing muslims as capable of violence in the name of religion. A simple case in point is that murderers of abortion providers are readily accepted as singular crazies instead of a product of their religious communities.


No disagreement from me on that John. Of course we never want to think that 'our' crazy people are as bad as 'theirs'.
 
JohnH
Catman, I was having trouble understanding the meaning of your post. Rereading it several time I think I understand but must ask.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that since the bulk of americans are christian and see their religion as the only true religion there can be no such thing as violence entered into if it is in furtherance of that religion.
 
catman
Almost. Forgive me for making it obscure. What I meant was "It can't happen here"...in other words, Christian fundamentalism can't lead to violence as Islamic fundamentalism has. But your interpretation is at least as valid. Abortion clinic violence is likely seen by the fundies as God's holy work rather than criminal action.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
seeker
catman wrote:
Almost. Forgive me for making it obscure. What I meant was "It can't happen here"...in other words, Christian fundamentalism can't lead to violence as Islamic fundamentalism has. But your interpretation is at least as valid. Abortion clinic violence is likely seen by the fundies as God's holy work rather than criminal action.


It has happened here. The Oklahoma City bombing and quite a few of the mass shootings that have occurred recently have all been religiously motivated examples of Christian terrorism.
 
catman
seeker: I know it has happened here already, but many Christians take no notice or claim that the perpetrators were not 'true Christians'.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
JohnH
Seeker, My memory of Timothy McVeigh was that he was motivated more by the militia mentality than any christian beliefs. He was heavy into the notion that the government was intending to take away people's gun and subject them a socialist, repressive form of control. A quick look at Wikipedia confirmed my memory.
 
seeker
JohnH wrote:
Seeker, My memory of Timothy McVeigh was that he was motivated more by the militia mentality than any christian beliefs. He was heavy into the notion that the government was intending to take away people's gun and subject them a socialist, repressive form of control. A quick look at Wikipedia confirmed my memory.


You are right. For some reason I had it in my head that he was associated with a Christian group like Christian Identity but that is probably just because he was said to have had a copy of The Turner Diaries, an extreme right wing fantasy about the overthrow of the US government by a citizen's militia.


Of course I could always just bring this group up
Edited by seeker on 03/31/2010 11:02
 
JohnH
Seeker, curious why the link to the obscure article about the Denver Broncos failure to perform effective screen passes.
 
Skeeve
I think the word "fantasy" is at play with the link. Cool
 
seeker
Ooop, fixed the link but here is is again in case http://www.examin...e-officers
 
Sinny
catman wrote:
Almost. Forgive me for making it obscure. What I meant was "It can't happen here"...in other words, Christian fundamentalism can't lead to violence as Islamic fundamentalism has. But your interpretation is at least as valid. Abortion clinic violence is likely seen by the fundies as God's holy work rather than criminal action.


Well Cat it can't happen here now but if and after Becky Fisher trains her little trolls it could happen here when they are adults. I have no doubt she went underground, so to speak, to start her little army all over again under a new name. Only this time she will have parents permission and whom will agree with her teachings.


I hope they catch and arrest the asshats who made the threats.
Edited by Sinny on 03/31/2010 20:07
 
catman
I should have mage my comments more clear. Of course I believe it CAN happen here. When I said "It can't happen here", I was referring to the attitude of some naive people and Christians (difference?) who think that since theirs is the One True Religion, it couldn't possibly lead to the sort of violence which Muslim True Believers engage in. I was also thinking of the Mothers of Invention's first album, Freak Out!...all those many years ago.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
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