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What happened to miracles
JohnH
I ask those who know the bible and christianity better than I why we do not see miracles anymore. The old testament is full of interventions by god. The apostles are full of miracles. Why do they end and why do christians not see the cessation of miracles as a possible negation of their belief.
 
Bob of QF
Easy!

God is out playing golf. Has been stuck on the 16th hole sand trap for more than 2000 years and counting....

... in heaven "Par 5" really means "5 Parsecs" don'cha'know ...

Wink
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seeker
Honestly John the bible offers no reason. Theists speculate a lot with the majority believing that miracles still happen but we just don't notice them. That's why every time someone survives a car crash or has a remission you get the requisite 'it's a miracle', usually followed by a bill.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
 
catman
"Miracle" is an incredibly overused word. I don't mind it too much when it is used to describe a very unusual event in a colloquial sense, although the religious connotation makes it a word I never use.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Bob of QF
catman wrote:
"Miracle" is an incredibly overused word. I don't mind it too much when it is used to describe a very unusual event in a colloquial sense, although the religious connotation makes it a word I never use.


Me neither.

It'd take... a miracle....

Grin
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Doubting Thomas
I agree with Seeker. They overuse the word "miracle" so much as to water down its meeting to the point where if someone survives a car crash, it's a "miracle," nevermind the invention of seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, and statistics which are in favor of surviving an accident.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
JohnH
I was more interested in a response to my second question.

The old and new testament god would often intrude directly in human affairs.

In the old testament he provided moses with the ten commandments, he smote various opponents of the hebrews. In the new testament through jesus he turned water into wine and by the laying on of hands cured various people.

In modern times god has disappeared.

Christians may make the argument that without the physical presence of jesus, god no longer can make his works obvious. Why would that be.

The god of the bible, old and new, would regularly make his existence known. Has it forsaken us. And how do believers explain that.

This, along with why should I not be kosher are going to be my questions for the next religious asshole who rings my door.
 
Bob of QF
I agree JohnH, I've often used this as an argument for the non-existence of the bible's god-- the utter lack of anything remotely god-like in modern events.
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Reality is that which is left, after you stop believing.
 
Doubting Thomas
Christians may make the argument that without the physical presence of jesus, god no longer can make his works obvious. Why would that be.


Obviously just an ad hoc answer that they use to justify their beliefs. If God were all-powerful like they claim he is, he could do anything. It's just like when they claim that, when you argue why God would create hell, that God can't allow sin to be in his presence since he's perfect & sin free. But if he's all-powerful, why can't he do anything?
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
Bob of QF
Doubting Thomas wrote:... But if he's all-powerful, why can't he do anything?


Well, obviously he is unable to forgive people if they are already dead... that's one thing he cannot do.

Another is actually fix people who are "broken": re, the Genesis flood. Bible-god is happy to murder everyone on earth, which is pretty much wiping out their free will, but is incapable of just changing them to be better? So bible-god murders all the parents, and the poor innocent babies are just collateral damage?

Another thing biblegod cannot do is directly punish the actual guilty, but murders the innocent first-borns instead, i.e. the Egyptian murders during Mose's argument with the Pharaoh. That is, biblegod kills the innocent to "punish" the guilty...

No, the christian god has many thing he obviously cannot do.

The chief flaw?

The christian god apparently cannot forgive unless something living is killed in a dramatic way ...
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