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Theory_Execution
Hello all,

Just wanting to catch a few of your opinions about that website really. I do have some of you added as friends on there (drawing the link between those on ere, and dem o'er there can be difficult, but I sort of like that.

I discovered something yesterday, which surprised me a little.

Facebook has a flagging system, if someone is harassing people, posting nuisance links or links with illegal content on their own walls, or walls of others it acts to restrict them. This is reasonable.

What I was unaware of until yesterday is that your private conversations also (those with the little msn like thingybob at the bottom) are monitored and censored. I was sending a link to a friend and it notified me that the link has been flagged as inappropriate and/or abusive, and provided a link to 'tell us if you think this is a mistake' and the message was not passed to my friend.

Now you are not given any details as to who flagged it, or why it was flagged (in this instance it was pornographic, but im an adult, she is an adult - but that is beyond the point) so I got thinking. I found a few other websites that are out-right censored for no good reason. I found one thread of a guy complaining that after creating his website for a business he is just starting, it too was flagged (moments after being created) as inappropriate and abusive and consequently censored. He has contacted facebook, and has not had the issue fixed after 3 weeks.

How is it that any user may censor at will on a whim, and people lose out financially because of this, and moreso it is not a stretch for facebook to run their own censoring campaign. There are groups out there that believe facebook is blocking alternative news sources from being linked on their website.

So, before any of you 'users' (dirtly, filthy facebook people) reply, try it out, try contacting a friend and running through some links you use and see if they get blocked.

Considering deleting my profile.
 
seeker
I completely stopped using Facebook. An incredible time waster.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
 
Theory_Execution
The only hold it has over me is its an easy way of getting in touch with people - I dont play their games, I dont go out joining all the groups... I do have my own group though - but that I havent posted on in over a month - which is dead in internet terms.
 
catman
I don't use Facebook. I don't see the point, and it has had security issues.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Theory_Execution
This is the annoying thing - it is good that people can contact each other easily, it is bloody annoyng that you end up handing over a load of details about yourself to a corporation.
 
Photon
Facebook also has a policy in which if a group's content is reported, for example for personal copyright infringement, they will take the entire group down, and then suggest to the group that they contact the complainant, and get them to issue a report to Facebook allowing them to reinstate the page. There is no mention of them investigating whether the claim is valid. Their standard operating procedure is to take the content down, and then make you fight against a baseless claim to get it put back up.

How screwed up is that?

It's like a peeping tom is angry that the curtains at the neighbours' house are closed, so he calls the Curtain Police, and they confiscate the curtains and when the neighbours want their curtains back, they have to call the peeping tom.

I understand that Facebook is now so huge that it is difficult to monitor all content, or even adjudicate complaints properly, but it smacks of dismissal and negligence to allow a baseless complaint to cause the removal of content for non-profit organizations, legitimate businesses, and public groups.

Facebook is being sued by some larger companies over just this issue, it seems to me that they could actually save money by employing enough staff to investigate complaints prior to removal of content, instead of having removal of content as the modus operandi.
 
Bob of QF
I was once a member of the facebook group, "Fuck Christianity" simply because it's very existence offended so many godbots.

That group was constantly being stricken, and re-formed.

Eventually I grew tired of the re-joining process, and lost track of it.

Conversely, the group "Fuck Atheism" hasn't been removed since it was created, as far as I could tell...

Hypocrisy?

You betcha.
Quantum Junction: Use both lanes

Reality is that which is left, after you stop believing.
 
Theory_Execution
It could be totally innocent Bob of, I mean are carefree atheists really going to bother complaining about a group like that?

It could even be a testament to our better characters - whereas their beliefs cause them to limit the free expression of others, our lack of belief in square-roots-of-negative-one-esque transcendent creatures allows to to act in a manner that allows others to freely express themselves.

I do not know much about this Zucherberg guy.
 
catman
Well said, T_E. Why bother? I don't bother with Facebook itself.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Bob of QF
Theory_Execution wrote:
It could be totally innocent Bob of, I mean are carefree atheists really going to bother complaining about a group like that?

It could even be a testament to our better characters - whereas their beliefs cause them to limit the free expression of others, our lack of belief in square-roots-of-negative-one-esque transcendent creatures allows to to act in a manner that allows others to freely express themselves.

I do not know much about this Zucherberg guy.


Oh, I've no doubt atheists don't care one way or another about "fuck atheism".

But, the reasons that christers give, for having "fuck JC" removed is the "obscenity"-word in the title.

If they were genuine? They would protest all such groups, regardless.

But they are not remotely genuine...
Quantum Junction: Use both lanes

Reality is that which is left, after you stop believing.
 
Hypatia
I think there are too many security and privacy type issues with FB for my comfort and taste. I have a profile, but I keep it de-activated most of the time. The few times I need to contact someone or search for someone or something via FB I activate my account, and then immediately de-activate it when I'm done. Every time I de-activate and they ask why I'm leaving I cite security concerns, privacy concerns, and the lack of user ability to control or change their own information.

There is some profile information a user can change, but it is too limited. My (ex) husband and I were recently divorced, and it wouldn't even let me change my marital status. How annoying.

Even if there weren't privacy issues for me, FB really isn't my kind of thing. There are a few aspects of it that are okay, but eh, but my usual ways of keeping up with people suit me just fine.

I started a FB group and was having some problems with it, and there was a day, long ago, when a user could actually contact someone at FB for help, but now one is limited to the FAQ and no way of having actual contact or help from anyone connected with FB. That doesn't work for me.

I heard recently that they've been losing users by the droves. Personally, I think the FB day and age will come and go rather quickly. Doesn't matter to me though - I use it when I want or need it, and dump it the rest of the time. And when I do use it, I never, ever use applications or click on ads. I don't need ads - if I'm in the market for anything, I'll find it on my own. And I hate, hate, hate the 'suggestions' BS based on a users activity. To me that's an invasion of my privacy, I don't care if it is a public site.
 
Theory_Execution
The logging searches and else I dont like in Gooogel too, the fact that two people can search for the same phrase in two different countries and come up with a different top ten.

Along these lines there is an online store for games called Steam, you download instead of buy the disk - sadly you have to play the game while logged into the Steam prog, and once you quit your game a little advertisement pops up based on new and similar games.

It seems companies and organisations are just not happy with taking your money for something they produce anymore.
 
Hypatia
Theory_Execution wrote:
The logging searches and else I dont like in Gooogel too, the fact that two people can search for the same phrase in two different countries and come up with a different top ten.

Along these lines there is an online store for games called Steam, you download instead of buy the disk - sadly you have to play the game while logged into the Steam prog, and once you quit your game a little advertisement pops up based on new and similar games.

It seems companies and organisations are just not happy with taking your money for something they produce anymore.


I stopped using Google for web searches a long time ago, but that was mainly in protest to their stance on net neutrality. But I also dislike the way Google's search works, with the tracking, etc., although I guess most search engines do that to some extent or another. Google just feels too invasive and 'big brother-ish' to me. To me, they've become nothing more than another once cool outfit becoming too big for their britches and not giving a rat's ass about the people who use their services. Oh, excuse me. Their 'products'. (There's no such thing as service anymore, only 'products' ) They're too big now to have to want to care.

I agree, it's no longer enough for many companies and organizations to have our business and take our money. They want all our personal information too, and they want to turn around and sell it to others who want to do the same. When I'm at a cash register and they ask for my zip code, I won't even tell them that. When they ask, I simply say, 'no'. A few times store clerks have looked at me incredulously and asked, 'No?', and I repeat, 'no'. To too many, 'no' no longer means 'no'. It means they'll just keep rephrasing their demands until they think they can wear us down enough to comply. Screw that.
 
Hypatia
Here are a couple of other things I've just seen - one article about the FTC (in the US) giving permission to something called the Social Intelligence Corp. to archive up to seven years of FB user's posts, to be used as part of their background checking service for employment.

http://www.zdnet....hecks/3973

Also, I wasn't aware before now that FB has a facial recognition function for tagging photos. http://www.zdnet....in;content
 
Theory_Execution
Yup, I heard about that too. So that employers may go ahead and check you out before they employ you.

A friend of mine went for a job interview recently, they offered him the position and then during his first day they handed him some form to sign, which said he would not talk about or bad mouth the company on any social media... to which he replied I am not signing that.

Large employers want your social life too.
 
Hypatia
T_E wrote:

to which he replied I am not signing that.


Good for him. Did the company keep him on after he declined to sign the statement?
 
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