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Kent Hovind
Photon
Most people here are already aware of the creationist Kent Hovind, aka Dr. Dino, who went to jail for tax evasion. Anyway, here's a hilarious song about his situation.

http://www.youtub...PgbUnTuA24

If you haven't been exposed to this particular fucktard, here's the wiki entry:

http://en.wikiped...ent_Hovind
 
catman
That is a great song!
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
neilmarr
Bet your socks Dino's saving souls for Jesus behind bars. A captive audience is a Bibletard's idea of heaven. And prisons are hotbeds of alleged conversion to one religious nut-cult or another. Neil
 
RayvenAlandria
Hovind is a repulsive freak. I can't tolerate watching him. His personality is so similar to a couple of pedophiles I know that it gives me the heebie jeebies to listen to him.
 
Theory_Execution
Hold. Why do you know pedophiles?

This video spurred me to watching a critical analysis of Kunt Hovind, and it was jam packed with good, well referenced, clear explainations of the falacy and the truth of the matter.

The only problem is you have to hear his annoying voice and watch his gormless face.
 
RayvenAlandria
TE, because I was molested and because I grew up and helped other victims repair themselves.
 
Doubting Thomas
Does his conviction on tax evasion charges mean that the $1 million challenge to prove evolution is a true theory is no longer available? Grin
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
Theory_Execution
Now you have said that RA, I think you have told me before. I never know what to say to that.
 
Hypatia
Theory_Execution wrote:
Now you have said that RA, I think you have told me before. I never know what to say to that.


As sickening and despicable as it is, some people can't help knowing pedophiles. We wish like hell we didn't have to. One of my brothers is a convicted pedophile (now out of prison). I grew up surrounded by them. I loathe them. There isn't a day and night of my life that I don't worry about my niece and nephew - the children of my brother - but it seems to be the only thing I can do.
 
catman
What worries me most are the pedophiles who we know, but don't know as pedophiles. I will never forget finding out that a woman I know had been molested as an adolescent by her own father, who I also knew quite well. I didn't find out until after he died.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Hypatia
Crud - I can't play the video, but I agree with Rayven - Hovind definitely makes me think 'pedophile'.

;pukeright;

 
Hypatia
catman wrote:
What worries me most are the pedophiles who we know, but don't know as pedophiles. I will never forget finding out that a woman I know had been molested as an adolescent by her own father, who I also knew quite well. I didn't find out until after he died.


So true. At least the ones who are known pedophiles can be watched, to a certain degree.
 
RayvenAlandria
What is frightening is that most pedophiles come across as the most upstanding people you could ever meet. They put a great deal of effort into their charade. It's hard to tell the difference between someone who is genuinely a super kind and loving person and someone who is a pedophile. You don't know the truth unless you become a victim or a victim comes forward.

When I meet someone who devotes a lot of time to children's events, such a boy/girl scouts, the PTA, coaching kid's sports, fostering children, etc...my first thought is always "I wonder if they are a pedo". Sad. What's even more sad is that it's not paranoia at work, many of those people are pedo's.
 
catman
That is truly sad. However, the majority of them aren't pedophiles (I hope so, anyway).
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Doubting Thomas
Well when you look at how many priests, scout leaders, and teachers have been convicted of various pedophilia crimes, it's obvious that in order to be successful they not only keep up the charade well, but put themselves in positions where they'll be able to come into contact with children, no pun intended.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
Hypatia
Exactly. Predators are experts at blending in with everyone else, and in conning and beating systems to place themselves in opportune situations.

For as much as people are screened before being hired or placed in positions of working with children, not only are there still those situations where something crucial is blatantly overlooked, but predators are well versed in ways to falsify or manipulate information.

Similar to you Rayven, I'm suspicious and questioning first. So much of the time I'll see something that is most likely totally innocent - like a man walking on a sidewalk, holding a little girl's hand - and my heart will jump into my throat, my breath will catch, and inside I'm yelling, 'Leave that child alone! Let her go!'.

I know that's just a knee-jerk reaction - a reaction, and of course I don't shout what I think out loud. And like you, I very often wonder to myself about the scout leader, the teacher, coach, foster parent, parent, brother, sister, etc., about whether they've been screened well, whether they've duped the system, whether they're duping everyone around them.

I know a lot of that is just my suspicious nature, but I always figure it's better to wonder than to be too comfortable with just everyone.

Discussing these kinds of things are very unpleasant for most people, but not discussing them doesn't make what happens stop, doesn't make it disappear.





 
Doubting Thomas
After 14 years in law enforcement work, I'm suspicious of everybody!
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
Theory_Execution
I am led to believe that most shild abuse occurs in the home, that it is family that sees the most cases. How can one protect against this.

I am not at all a fan of the word pedophile, because there are people out there who look at this word and then defend the person, as not being able to make their choices, a genetic predisposition as it were.

So I call them child rapists, the worst kind of rapist possible. And since when is a genetic predisposition a defense to some heinous act? Do murderers not have a predispostion?

My primary school had a headmaster who took photos of his neighbours daughter, and it was also said that the priest was a child rapist. They both came across as caring people.
 
RayvenAlandria
Well, I have a bit of a reputation for hating sexual abusers of children. I was actually banned from Internet Infidels for being too mean to the resident pedophiles and ephebophiles. Looking back I don't know why I didn't leave that board years earlier. They had no problem with pedophiles spouting propaganda and starting thread after thread to *discuss* the virtues of having sex with children, but anytime myself or others went off on the sickos we got edited, warned, and banned. It was unbelievable.

The common thought is that most sexual abusers of kids are relatives, but I am not so sure this is true nowadays. In the past, most children were not left alone for large amounts of time with non-family members, but these days they frequently are. People in our *modern* society care more about making money than spending time with their kids, so the kids spend most of their time with other people. Think about it, most babies go to day care and most children go to schools. The bulk of their days (and lives) are spent with people other than family. It is unnatural and illogical, but somewhere in the recent past we have decided as a society that this is *normal*. It's crazy.

This dynamic opens the door for non-family members to spend a great deal of time with children. I do still think that many abusers are family members or intimate friends with the parents, but in more and more cases, the abusers are outside the family circle. I think sexual abuse of children is more common than it was in the past simple because there are more adults in contact with children than there used to be.

Sexual abusers are masters at playing society and they are very, very adept at putting themselves in situations where they are trusted to be alone with children. One myth I will bust; it is not necessary for the adult to be alone with any given child to abuse them. Many abusers molest groups of children, not individuals. They *babysit* or run youth services of some kind and start out by showing the group of kids porn, convincing them that they are "very mature for their ages", playing to their desires to be important and accepted, and they start *teaching* the whole group about sex. You know where that leads. When I was abused it was along with my best friend and it was by her neighbor. No one suspected because we were never alone with him. Don't ever think that because more than one child is there that the abuse won't happen. That is a dangerous myth.
Edited by RayvenAlandria on 09/23/2008 12:24
 
Theory_Execution
I hate rapists of all forms, I cannot imagine a time when it can be justified. I do not often say this either, expecially on a site where it will be documented, but I feel that if I ever caught a rapist in the act, it would be at that point I would most likely be compelled to kill another human being.

I was thinking, actually as a result of this discussion, about what I would do with my kids when it came to work, careers etc. And I pretty much decided that either me or my partner would stay at home to look after them, maybe taking it in turns six months or so at a time. The problem here is I would need a very flexible job. Or maybe get rich before getting children.

Another thing, I would never want my children to fear me, or be afraid of me, so when they have made a mistake I will push as hard as I can to explain why it is wrong instead of simply hitting them. Then I reckon, if it ever so happens that someone tries to tell my child to keep a secret or they will get in trouble, they would be more likely to tell me.

Also I will have to make myself out to be invincible to my children, to rule out another sceneario(damn cant spell that today).
 
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