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Where's the Outrage?
Cynic
Why the fuck is no one talking about this? A simple google reveals that only atheists and one CNN commentator have even noticed.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/dole-hagan-godless/

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[b]Elizabeth Dole ad falsely suggests opponent Kay Hagan is
Edited by seeker on 10/30/2008 17:23
 
derF
Guess no one brought it up because we considered it your typical mudslinging business as usual from the right wing nuts.
Edited by derF on 10/30/2008 17:23
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
Cynic
Why isn't my youtube link working?

Anyway, it's a little stronger than usual. Can you imagine a similar ad with the word "atheist" changed into anything else (except socialist)?
 
Skeeve
Looks like you cut off the paste before the end. The last part of the code should be:

=1

(Make sure to paste everything from the first 'http' to '=1'Wink

Without having the original link, I am unable to fix it for you.
"The world is my country, and do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine
 
seeker
So I shouldn't stare at the blank spot in Cynic's post? Now you tell me!
 
Skeeve
Well, now we know who has more energy tonight, seeker. I almost followed the first link to find the YouTube link, but...

I don't think I've been getting enough sleep lately.
"The world is my country, and do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine
 
Cynic
Seems to be working now -- thanks.

Now -- where;s the outrage? ;-) Speak up!
 
catman
I think it's a total outrage. But outrage comes easily to me. In fact, I stay outraged.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
JohnH
There is no reason to be outraged. We are outsiders we do not belong in america. We should accept that position. I always wanted to be a bottom. It does depend for me on who is the top.
 
neilmarr
It's simply amazing that 'godly' or 'godless' should even enter the debate when it comes to election to public office. Neil
 
Cynic
Statements like "faith guides my life" (this one Hagen's) make little sense. AS Bill Mahr said, really? A lack of critical thinking guides your life?
 
catman
JohnH: The problem is that we don't even seem to belong on this planet. That is an outrage!
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
derF
Oh con
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
catman
What I meant, of course, is that according to the superstitious folk who dominate much of the planet, we don't belong on it. I certainly didn't mean to say that they are correct. I only meant to say that rational thinking makes us outsiders worldwide according to believers.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
derF
catman wrote:
What I meant, of course, is that according to the superstitious folk who dominate much of the planet, we don't belong on it. I certainly didn't mean to say that they are correct. I only meant to say that rational thinking makes us outsiders worldwide according to believers.


On that point we are in agreement, Catman. Yes it is true. We have the unthankable task of teaching most of the world's population that there is no high mucky/muck out there that is going to make everything perfect for the entire human race after we die. If we cannot convince them that our 50 to 90 year life expectancy is all there is and that we must do everything we can to respect all others' short lives on this planet then further attempts at enlightenment will be in vain.
Edited by derF on 11/01/2008 01:46
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
JohnH
Catman, My point exactly. To the theists we do not belong on this planet. We go beyond simply bad and into the reject bin.

I once commented on atheists.com that there were maybe 10 congressional districts in the us where an open atheist could get elected. There is now only one in congress and I would bet that he did not make his beliefs plane until he had been in congress for a while.

Fascinating that with all the obvious proof that professing belief does not make one an honest person that someone who is honest about their lack of belief makes people nervous.

I have to say that while libertarians are very correct on most social issues on economic ones they are far to willing to let capital have its way. Capital given free reign will exploit even kill workers. I think that the current financial crisis is a good example of what can happen in a libertarian world.
 
catman
derF: Unthankable or unthinkable? Wink Thankless, perhaps. I don't feel obligated to make unbelievers of everyone; that would be an unthinkably vast project and impracticable. To show that tolerance for atheists is not inappropriate would be a good start. As you said, "respecting all others' short lives".
Edited by catman on 11/01/2008 02:22
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
catman
JohnH wrote:I have to say that while libertarians are very correct on most social issues on economic ones they are far to willing to let capital have its way. Capital given free reign will exploit even kill workers. I think that the current financial crisis is a good example of what can happen in a libertarian world.

I made the point earlier that I don't think the libertarian philosophy has enough of a social conscience. We can't just have people dying on the streets. I wouldn't call the current financial crisis to be purely the fault of libertarianism, however. I made a point of refreshing my memory of what caused the 1929 crash, and it's amazing how parallel the greediness is. Then, it was buying and selling stocks 'on margin'; now it's lending money to people who had no business having it lent to them because if anything went even slightly wrong, they'd have no chance of paying it back.

I noted yesterday that Bush is attempting to ram a passel of new bills through in his last weeks which are anti-environmental and promote further deregulation. It seems that he wants all his rich friends to love him, and to hell with everyone else. He is determined to fuck up the planet as much as he can before he leaves office. Pardon me if I sound bitter; it's only because I am.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
derF
Catman wrote: I noted yesterday that Bush is attempting to ram a passel of new bills through in his last weeks which are anti-environmental and promote further deregulation. It seems that he wants all his rich friends to love him, and to hell with everyone else. He is determined to fuck up the planet as much as he can before he leaves office. Pardon me if I sound bitter; it's only because I am.


No, you don't sound bitter. You sound dead on. Bush has never cared about the common American. All he was interested in was making himself rich and making those that could make him richer even richer themselves. The arrogant bastard does not have the tiniest bit of shame or embarrassment about his administration or the legacy he leaves behind. He and his fellow neocons always thought the were superior to everyone else and that whatever tactics they used to screw the lower classes and enrichen themselves was completely justified. It's a shame the bastard is so unfeeling. It would make me feel better if I could think the SOB was sorry for the condition he left America and the rest of the world in.
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
catman
Well said, derF. I can only disagree with one thing you stated: I am bitter!

How can a 'leader' extol patriotism and service so much, then do everything he can to make it impossible for anyone with an IQ above room temperature to feel that they are represented? The Chief Inmate is in charge of the asylum.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
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