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Sinny
He is so terrified of me catching him again. Even this morning he was terrified of me. Sad I hate that I have to do this to him and I hate that I have to hold like that and force him to eat his medicine. Sad I hate that he's going through this and I hate that the Vets didn't check for seizures in the first place Sad Worst of all I hate that it's my fault he's going through this as I suspect because the wobbling happened to him after being in the hallway and Ididn't protect him. I should have known it wasn't the idiopathic disease it's the products I bought that caused the wobbling and seizures. Sad
 
catman
I am very sad to hear of Norton's continuing problems, Sinny. Could it be that he is terribly allergic to whatever is in the carpet? I'm just guessing, of course, trying to come up with something. It seems to me that if the carpet is what causes him to get sick, he should get better again if you can keep him away from it. He's probably not really terrified of you per se, he just hates the medicine treatment. I'll try the atheist catma again.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
RayvenAlandria
This is terrible news. I was hoping he was all better.

Did they take x-rays of his skull? He could have tumor or an injury.

Like catman said, it might be a strange allergy. I wonder if cats can be allergic to latex, in humans it can be deadly. There are many chemicals in carpet he could be reacting to, or it could just be the smell and he has a brain tumor or something weird and strong smells trigger seizures. It could also be a coincidence and has nothing to do with the carpet. Is there anything he could be getting into? Some plants are toxic to cats, is he nibbling any?
 
Sinny
I sure hope your atheist catma works again by tomorrow Catman *sigh*


*sigh* I am so drained with worry over him Sad I thought sure he was ok and this would be put behind him. I thought sure it was ok for him to go in the hallway with Trixie last night only because I made sure I cleaned the floors and washed the new runner. (Solid Level Loop) by NATCO, made in USA, 100% synthetic. Nothing like the mats I previously had that smelled horrible and attracted Norton like it was catnip. He was fine when I left this afternoon the first time and came back. Later I went out around dinner time and when I came home he was wobbly again. I tried to give him his meds but that was a disaster and everything fell all over the floor and scared him even more. He was wobbling to go eat some dry food but I took it away to put some fresh canned food mixed with the antibiotic and he won't eat at all now. The Vet finally called me back after my extremely irate message I left and said he's been diagnosed with the idiopathic something or other, can't spell it right now. He kept calling Norton a she and I kept correcting him then called Norton an it. That just pissed me off. He's going by what the Dr. Bucklan said at the other hospital and said it's an inner ear infection that's causing the wobbling. Well he has been taking his medicine except for today and was doing fine. He is never ever allowed in that hallway again. This way if it happens again I can rule out the runner and hopefully protect him if it is the runner or something in the hallway.

Beaver the Vet wants to do an MRI on him. He wants to rule out if it's a brain damage or something with the brain. I think it's something he inhaled not ingested. So that would lead to brain damage..inhaling something he's allergic too or toxic to him but not to Trixie. They did an overall x-ray on him and came up with nothing. They say an x-ray of his brain won't show anything only an MRI will show if it's in the brain that's causing him to have seizures. Well I told this Vet Beaver that the other vet Buclan said she ruled out an MRI due to his EKG verifying he had Arrhythmia of the heart and a heart murmur and she didn't want to risk putting him under anesthesia because of his heart condition.

It's not the plant and they ruled out toxins in his blood. A few weeks ago he was nibbling on the tropical plant and I moved it away where he couldn't get it....to where I had it before and he's nibbled at the plant before and was fine...so it's not the plant. I can't rule out the rug but then the other mats weren't even the same type as the runner I put out yesterday (last night). Shit this is driving me crazy. Goddammmit I think he had a seizure for some unknown reason when I went out before around dinner time. To make it worse tonight Beaver or whatever the fuck his name is comes out with well when you were giving him his medicine his heart beats very fast and when fighting to resist the meds that appears to look like a seizure so it's possible you just thought he was having a seizure. FUCK!!!! I wanted to strangle him. I again explained it wasn't when I was giving him his medication that he had the seizures and his whole little body was not just trembling!!! he was bouncing with his eyes bulging and all four legs out straight, stiff, and his whole body and legs were all were like he was being electrocuted. Goddammit to fucking hell why can't they understand and refuse to understand I saw him have 2 seizures. I think they just don't want me to see his seizures for what they are...seizures... because they may feel they can't help him because of his heart condition, maybe that's why they refuse to believe me, maybe, but this out and out accusing me of not knowing what a seizure is, looks like, bullshit has to stop.

I'm going to call 2 other Vets tomorrow and see what they charge for an MRI and to check for diabetes and tell them about his heart Arrhythmia and see what can be done. Problem is I have to wait for the right time to get him, bring him in as an emergency since I can't make a set appt. not knowing when/if I can catch him to put him in the carrier and I don't want to tell them what the other Vets said because they don't believe me when I say he had 2 freaking seizures. Bucklan said if he's having seizures then he has more serious problems than she thought and sounded a little worried and then said something like I don't know if he can be helped if he has more serious problems with his heart condition....*gulp* *gasp* *choke* not what I wanted to hear.


He can't survive living like this and I can't keep him in the hospital for 1, 2 3 weeks until they figure out what the hell is wrong with him and how to cure him, he's loosing weight and I know that doesn't help either. Now I know what my SIL went through with her little bumper. They did all these tests, kept him in the hospital for almost 2 weeks, put him on seizure meds and they couldn't help him...he died. I don't want that to happen to my little Norton.

I'm sorry if I seem like I keep going on guys it's just that I Love My Little Norton so much and it just hurts so much to see him go through this.
 
derF
Sinny wrote:I'm sorry if I seem like I keep going on guys it's just that I Love My Little Norton so much and it just hurts so much to see him go through this.



You shouldn't be sorry. Your concern and compassion stand well for you. Religious folks should take heed that real love and care for other living things isn't something that we have to be taught. It is something that good people quickly figure out for themselves. Much better to feel that way because of your own feelings than to pretend to feel that way because some ancient book and robed group of money mongers say you should.
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
catman
Well said, derF. Sinny, I'm certainly not irritated by your "going on". I know how it feels. I doubt that the new runner caused Norton's relapse, but of course I don't know. By all means, keep us informed. I hope it works out.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
RayvenAlandria
I understand what you're going through. I hate arrogant doctors and vets, I've come across more than one I wanted to beat the crap out of.

I hope you find out what's wrong with him soon. This is upsetting and worrisome. Maybe one of the vets will take you seriously and figure out what's going on soon.
 
Hypatia
Aw, Sinny. I'm so sorry Norton is still having problems.

I think maybe you should change vets all together, and in order to catch the little rascal try closing all the doors you can so that he'll (hopefully) be confined to one area of the house. Try putting a small dish of his favorite food in the very back of his carrier, and don't feed him anything else, so he'll go in after it when he's hungry.

I don't think Norton is afraid of you, it's just instinct for him to try to dodge what is unpleasant to him, and in this case it isn't you, it's the medicine. He's a smart cat.

I know this is terribly difficult, for you and Norton, but keep hanging in there. You're doing all the right things, and doing the best you can.

If you can get Norton seen by another vet and see what they have to say about him that would be good. It seems that at this point you may not get any further with his DX with the Drs. that have treated him at the two hospitals, so it's time to move on to another vet, or a specialist, as they suggested, if you can find one.

Hugs to you and Norton - putting out loads of catma for the two of you.

 
derF
Hypatia wrote:Hugs to you and Norton - putting out loads of catma for the two of you.


Ditto here, patia. And I will add loads or Good Karma to go with the Catma loads. Wishing you my best....

derF
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
Sinny
You guys are so great *sniff* Derf you are so right and some of them, not all, don't even care about kitty cats or any pets because they can't find anywhere in their bible that tells them they have a soul. Can you believe that. Also people who have children just can't or refuse to understand us animal people love children too. Just because we love our pets that doesn't make our love for our pets any less meaningful than their love for their children or that we don't love children too

I'm hoping now that the vet Bucklan was right that it takes about 2-3 weeks to go away with or without the meds. She did tell me that and I hope it wasn't just to give me false hope. Saturday night he was really wobbly and couldn't hardly walk without flopping down to the floor. It broke my heart to see him like that. But then last night he completely surprised me. He was still wobbly and his head tilted but he came out, meowed, to my surprise, well I right away said hello my little boy with a big smile and put out fresh dry food for him. He ate quite a bit and used his paw to help keep the dry food in his mouth, that kept falling out, his head still tilted but he managed to chew it good. Then I gave him the canned food and he slurped that up too. The next thing I knew he was stretching up on the kitchen cabinets and looked normal for a minute but then right away got wobbly again. Trixie ate too and right away arched her back up at him and ran back and forth past him which made Norton quite dizzy just watching her. Then all of a sudden he goes to bolt after her got dizzy spun and flopped on the floor. He got up composed himself, rested a few then went to the 3 step ladder I keep by the front window for him and managed to walk, not jump to the 3rd step and looked out the window. He almost fell stepping from the 3rd step to the windowsill but managed ok. Then later I heard him fall on the baseboard heater and ran to him but he seemed fine except for his pride. He napped after and later came back out ate a little more then managed to slowly get to the very top of the ladder where a painter would keep the paint, tools, and stuff. I have a towel folder on that for both of them since they were 5 months old. Norton could never jump up to the windowsill by himself and Trixie could. That's why I put it there in the first place.

I wish I could do more for him, I wish I could get the meds in him but now it's just not going to happen. If this is his last few weeks with me I don't want it spent chasing after him with him frightened to death of me. He runs, not as fast now, when he thinks I'm going to give him the meds. Last night I just cried and cried when he came up to me when I was on the computer trying to get the freaking camera to download pics of him, he came and put his paw on my side and I gently petted him and managed to gently pick him up and hold him. I just held on with two arms hugging and hugging him and just cried for him. I couldn't hold back the tears. He is completely aware of his surroundings and wants to play with Trixie but he can't hold his little body still or run without loosing control or rather having control. He sits still one second and all of a sudden his head and body will jerk to one side and back to the way he was. He walks like he's walking on slippery ice and quite slow at times. He managed to jump up on the bed and I laid down with him and kissed him and hugged him and talked to him. All of a sudden he decides he wants to go to Trixie at the end of the bed and he fell off the bed. I jumped up to get to him but he was already up and moving along slowly but ok.

When he had this relapse I thought he was going to die. I thought I would have to do the worst thing I could ever have to do to him. I thought I would then have to wait until he got to the point where he was the same way he was the first time I found him with this disease and he would have to go back into the hospital because he couldn't / wouldn't move because I can't get his meds in him. But then I remembered the vet said the meds are because they couldn't hurt him, she didn't see any ear infection, can't be sure unless he has an MRI, can't do an MRI unless she knows about his heart, Did an EKG on him and found his heart couldn't take the anesthesia needed for the MRI. Shit. Take the chance of an MRI and kill him with the anesthesia or don't do the MRI and hope he doesn't have anymore seizures along with hoping the seizures didn't cause this horrible wobbling to begin with. Do I take the chance on haveing him go through an MRI to be sure it is seizures, which I know it is, or wait it out because this disease can go away within 2-3 weeks on it's own. If it is what the vet said it is feline idiopathic vestibular syndrome (disease) then maybe it will go away on it's own within 2-3 weeks, I hope and he can be spared the trauma of an MRI and the risk of death from the anesthesia. Plus I'm going broke, I hate to say it but I am. $1,700.00 on one hospital plus $498.00 at the other hospital now add a risky MRI that could kill him of costing $1,500.00 or wait another 1-2 weeks and hope he's not always going to be living like this. At least now he can heat, drink and jump when I'm watching him, though he does fall. He's getting smarter with the jumping up on the ladder. He now tries to jump on the chair first then walk to the 3rd step but sometimes forgets to do that the few times he comes out to look outside on the ladder. He sleeps alot but then so does Trixie all day long. I worry about him being here alone when I'm at work. I'm going to get a gate to prevent him from jumping up on the wash/dryer so he can't try to get up on the kitchen cabinets. I doubt he could but he might try. I'll make another litter pan for him in the bedroom and keep him in the bedroom during the day. I can't risk letting him out while I'm at work.

I'm so happy he's eating and drinking now. My poor little fat boy is loosing way too much weight. I'm glad he's not keeping to himself 23/7. I know that is a bad sign and am watching out to make sure I see him eat everyday in the morning and evening. He just had a snack with Trixie while I was typing this and both are napping now. So maybe he will pull through but I won't get my hopes up too high this time. I have a tought choice to make in about 2 more weeks and I don't want to give up on him. I want his quality of life back, he's still a kitten and deserves to run and play like a kitten should. I really hope this does go away on it's own. This article is similar to what the vet said. See bold.

[quote] Vestibular Disease (Dizzy Kitties)
Cats may sometimes suddenly lose their ability to orient themselves and become somewhat tipsy. And some cats are more than just a little dizzy
 
Sinny
Ok I'm searching online line in google now trying to find something that I purchase to automatically inject medicine in Norton. I heard about devices that people use to automatically inject insulin in them at certain times and wodered if I can find something like that for Norton. This way if I can ever catch him/trick him into the carrier I can get the vet to attach something like an automatic injection thingy on him for his antibiotics. Anyone have any ideas or know of anything I can suggest to the vet?
 
derF
Sinny, depending on how the injection has to be administered it might not be that big a deal. As some of you may recall I am currently under chemo therapy and am required ti inject myself once a week. It is done subcutaneously with a very thin very short needle and is absolutely painless. If that is the type of injection your cat requires you may be able to pull it off without Kitty even being aware of it. If you need some help with supplies, (needles, alcohol swabs and syringes etc.) let me know. I might be able to help you out.
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
Sugarfree
Here is my Toby for those of you who are interested, hes certainly the most exciting of my cats but, eh, not the brightest..
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Sugarfree
Ah! Giant Toby! Sorry guys, will work on my photo editing skills for next time =S
 
Sinny
Good to see you posting again Sugarfree Grin Toby is adorable Smile

Ihope you have him for many, many happy healthy years to come Smile

Derf that is so nice you to help me I very much appreciate it. I'm going to call another place tomorrow and make arrangements to have Norton stay with them to administer the antibiotics for at least a week, if I can afford to for a week. I'm trying to find a way to have some device attached (tied) or (taped) to him so maybe the antibiotics could be injected into his system instead of chasing him all around the apt. If I can't find something the vet could attach to him then that means I have to keep him with the vet. I won't need a hospital for this since he doesn't need round the clock monitoring/care. So maybe it won't be that expensive this time. My Mother comes out with today. What good is a cat that you can't do anything with. Sheesh she doesn't even give him some time to heal. I reminded her of how she was when she had an ear infection that made her dizzy and that same dizzyness is what Norton has. Though I can't be sure it's an ear infection as the Vet doesn't know for sure either. But I have to do something. It's either that or wait another week to see how he does. It's hard to know what to do with a syndrom (disease) no one knows causes it.
 
Sinny
I finally got one shot of antibiotic in his mouth. He spit most of it out and from now on anytime I have to give mdeicine to any cats I will only insist on a pill form. They and Norton can eat vittles for the after taste when done. I hate the syringe they give now. The eye drop was much better. This friggin thing gets stuck then shoots it out and chokes the poor kity nearly to death.

here's pics.

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You can't see very well with his tail in the way but his legs are apart to hold himself and balance somewhat. They were way worse Friday.

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And one just now just before I finally got the medicine in his mouth. Yes my room is a mess.

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Little piglet pussy just ate some Pounce Catnip flavor treats Smile and Trixie is running batshit back and forth past him. I think she is showing off how fast she can run knowing he can't run at all now until I try to get him. Hypatia I tried closing him in the bedroom and he hid under the bed. Then I tried closing him out of the bedroom and he hid under the couch, chair, behind the entertainment unit. I tried locking him in the bathroom, which he ran in by sheer luck and finally got him but he managed to knock everything over, dry cat food all over the floor and he got away. He's so week now and yet he gets the adreneline rush when it comes time for medicine. Sheesh I know I'm slowing down but never figured too slow for Norton Shock
 
Sinny
derF wrote:
Sinny, Keep me posted on your Kitty's prognosis. My offer to help is still there although it sounds like you have the situation in hand.


Derf you are a sweetheart, you really are Grin

So far I nearly killed him last night trying to get the pill down his throat. The liquid meds just weren't working out at all. I can't find an automatic injection device to put on him so that's out. The first time I thought the pill was in his mouth but of course it wasn't and it dropped to the floor when I let him go thinking he swallowd it Sad

Well of course I had to wait until he came out from under the bed and then trick him yet again. Finally I got it in his mouth. Mind you he slid it with his tongue to outside the side of his mouth a few times until I got it in the middle of his mouth and shut his mouth for like 5 minutes, sheesh!!

Now he comes up to me today and I hold him not wanting to go throught it again with him but I knew I had to try while I had him in my arms. He saw me go for the pill bottle, I have no clue how he knew it was his medication bottle, shit! he immediately leaped out of my arm and now I have to wait to get him again tonight. He is impossible!! This time I will be better prepared. The child proof cap is off and the pill is in the top of the cap ready for quick action. Tomorrow I'm picking up some liverwurst to put the freakin pill in and hopefully that will trick him into eating it. *sigh*. I am mentally and emotionally drained when it comes to feeding him his medication. Shit 6 more days to go!! AHHHHH!!!

On the plus side he's getting faster and very much alert though doesn't seem it. He's not wobbling all over the place so far but if I can't get this medication in him he'll go right back to wobbling again. It's been 3 weeks now so he should be getting better soon if it is the idiopathic ve
 
catman
Sinny: Yes, it's a chore getting a pill down a cat. As you said, you have to get it in the center of its tongue, as far back as you can, which means tilting the cat's head back almost vertically. I am very glad to hear that he seems to be doing better. The healthier they get, the harder it is to give them medicine.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Sinny
That's what I ended up doing Catman, though I tried it the first two times but he swiggles and twists his body so hard that it's hard to get his little head back that far. He just came out and ate a little. I can't go after him when he's eating or he will associate getting medication with getting food and might stop eating all together. Can't risk that since he's loosing too much weight as it is. I think the meds curb his appetite and make him sleepy. He played with Trixie with his little head tilted, which freaks Trixie out a little. Funny how she notices when his head is tilted and looks at me with this perplexed expression LOL. He went behind my coat that's on the chair and I put my hand to scratch at it and he just had so much fun pawing at the unknown hand making the coat move. He did such a good leap he came right out from under the coat LOL.

I see this as a good sign but won't get my hopes up just yet. If he misses the meds I fear he will have another relapse, how much more can he take? it's been too long now he needs to start getting better without any relapse for good this time. Sheesh I beginning to imagine using a dart gun with kitty downers in it to slow his little ass down. Well Trixie stopped bouncing off the walls and both are now napping so I'm going to watch for the polls and hopefully get Norton before I go to bed.
 
catman
I still think that the longer he lives, the better his chances are. His relapses haven't killed him yet, and the more he survives, the better his odds are. At least that's the way I see it.

I think you are wise not to go after him while he is eating. That's using the old noggin.Wink
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
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